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tonupyank
11-06-2005, 05:22 PM
Ok, I've done a search here, but it seems that there is a lack of comments on PC3 for a 2002 m900ie, Speedzilla and DML mention that PC said there is a lack of product, that PC didn't make one for that year, blah blah blah. Someone out there HAS to have a PC3 on their 2002 M900ie. That's all I want, is the part number. A few boys on Speedzilla and DML have said that the injector and TPS part numbers are the same for the '02 900 and the '03 1000, and that the PC3 for the 1000 will work.

Has anyone ordered up a PC3 for their 2002 900ie and had it work?? If so, can I pretty please have the part number for the PC3???

Did I mention that I'm asking for the part number of the PC3 that will work with a 2002 900ie??

I've been messing around with a Techlusion and I'm just not happy with it and am throwing in the towel on that thing.

Thanks people. ;)

Chris Koxlien
11-06-2005, 11:02 PM
Just check to see if the fuel injectors connections are the same from 2001 to 2002 if so the 2001 power commander should work, a map from power commander for an 01 may be a starting point. Put the commander on and get a map made and I think you should be set. Do your own research to confirm my thoughts, but as I understand the Power Commanders are the same with the exception of the map used and the connection to the fuel injectors. IMO

tonupyank
11-07-2005, 08:30 AM
Thanks Chris.....this is what I got from Speeddog on the DML.....

tonupyank,

Well, I don't know that it's right as if I had put one on an '02 M900ie.

That said;
The TPS and injector part #'s are the same.
The ECU is the same unit, but with different mapping.
The PCIII connects in between the ECU and the TPS and the injectors.
I see absolutely no way that the PCIII could tell the difference between the '03 M1000 and '02 M900.

I can't guarantee that it will work, but I'm_very_very_confident that it will.

Nick

So, I'll download the parts list from Ducati.com (as he did to compare the 02 w/03, and I'll check the 01 TPS and Injector part #'s.

It seems that people are giving me consistent information on tracking down the right one. Greatly appreciated and leads me in the right track.

Chris Koxlien
11-07-2005, 09:00 AM
If the ECU mapping is different from the factory you will just need to get a custom map done. That's the only thing I can see that would need to be done different. Who knows I bet if you look hard you may be able to get a map for an 02 900 that someone has had done if you look hard. :D

tonupyank
11-07-2005, 03:31 PM
ok, after spending about 5 hours total last night searching through all the DML, Speedzilla, clubdesmo sites, PMing guys with 2002 M900ie that 'might' have installed a PC3, asking for part number for that PC3, I think I have figured it out.

I downloaded the pdf of the parts catalogue for 01 and 02 m900 and the 03 m1000. all the part numbers are the same across the board. i printed the sheets out as well. i called PowerCommander and 'Kyle' says, "well, if those parts are the same, then the unit should plug in. then you get a custom map done."

So, it seems that I need a 717-411 powercommander.

Chris Koxlien
11-07-2005, 05:39 PM
That's the one I've got on my M1000S.

tonupyank
11-07-2005, 08:31 PM
Chris, where did you have it mapped?? seems to me that iether the 2001 900 Monster PC3 or the 2003 1000 Monster PC3 should work, but I'll use what the PC3 guy said when I order one.

Chris Koxlien
11-07-2005, 10:58 PM
I'm using a custom map someone was nice to share with me. I thind Skagit Powersports in Burlington has a dyno and someone who knows PC3's and can tune it for you. In the area there are not many choices of tuners. Shop around and you can find a few shops that have dyno's and people who understand the PC3. I thought originally you had to have a DUC specialist tune a DUC but after thinking about it, I think they just put a sniffer in the pipe and tune according to its information. If that is the case I think many people could tune a PC3 within reason. I just looked like mad on the DML and other sources and found someone with almost the exact same mods as I have that was willing to share their map. That is the hard part, many people don't feel the need to share something they had to pay for, the custom map that is. I found someone who was cool and I just sported them a DUC SEA shirt and they were happy. Good luck in the search or sport the cash and have someone tune yours locally. Look on the DML under the download section and you may find the 00 900 map someone has been nice enough to post may work. They work great and make tuning a snap, I have played around with the programming on mine with my PC takes only a minute or two to change the fueling. Awesome compared to the old days of tearing into your carb to change the jetting, this could take lots of time and lots of trading jets to get it right. Now just a few minute process! Get a map that's close and have some fun messing it up or making it correct for your scoot. :D

I may get a map done sometime but the one I got for a t-shirt works way better than the stock stuff already. So I'm in no hurry to spend a few hundred bucks, I have tuned carb bikes my whole life so I'm pretty good at doing these things myself so I play around with the butt dyno. Not scientific but my bikes damn fast already, I will be able to tune it better next spring once I get a track day. More than happy to help if I can.

Chris

tonupyank
11-08-2005, 01:27 PM
Thanks for the advice Chris, funny you mention people not sharing something they had to pay for....I was thinking the same thing, except with information. On the DML list, I can't believe only one response to this seemingly nagging question. The response was my own under the info I figured out (of course with the help of two others on the DML via the PM thing).

I just can't believe that someone out there some where with all the 2002 M900ie's rolling around doesn't have a PC3 part number for their bike.

Back to sharing for what they paid for, I know if someone offered me a hundred bucks for a copy of my map, heck yeah, then the custom map is paying for itself. Seems like a good deal to me.

Cheers.

foggy123
11-08-2005, 02:12 PM
custom maps are worthless to other bikes so your 100 is wasted. Unless the bike has all the exact same settings, the copied custom map won't be much better than a stock down loaded map. Think about how inconsistent Duc's come stock. (cam timing, TPS, trim, CO etc) Now add mods. Then try installing a someone else's custom map. It just doesn't work very well.

Chris Koxlien
11-08-2005, 02:42 PM
I've found a few maps that work fine on my bike, custom or otherwise. Sure the are not 100% correct but they are very close and tend to work reasonably well, sure I may loose 1hp or 2hp but who cares I didn't have to shell out $300 bucks. If you have to get it perfect to live with it get a custom map done. IMO

tonupyank
11-08-2005, 06:08 PM
I would agree with both of you, borrowed or custom......whatever works at that point in time.

since I have a tuner nearby, I"ll probably just go that route and have it done, then I'm not dinking around with it, like I am now with the TFI.

foggy123
11-08-2005, 07:36 PM
You're a DINKER! :scared10:

Or to further confuse the situation ask Chris K. if they a FIM unit for a 900 with MBP heads.


I would agree with both of you, borrowed or custom......whatever works at that point in time.

since I have a tuner nearby, I"ll probably just go that route and have it done, then I'm not dinking around with it, like I am now with the TFI.

tonupyank
11-08-2005, 10:02 PM
....and that coming from a guy that trades/ebays/swaps parts faster than paris hilton does engagement rings............. :happy44:

well even if Chris K does have an FIM for a 900 w/MBP heads, I don't have the MBP heads.........yet.......

Chris Koxlien
11-08-2005, 10:18 PM
You're a DINKER! :scared10:.

I guess this is addressed to me? I'm done posting my opinions or anything else on this or any other information board or club website, always seems someone comes back with a comment like this. I'm not bitter at all, just tired of putting something out there to have someone tell you that you are full of SHI#. I'll work on my own bikes with the 35 years of riding I have under my belt and enjoy it much better if I keep to myself. Which is really too bad. The funny part about it is it seems to be mostly the Duc crowd that seem somewhat uptight. Racing and riding dirt bike my whole life, litterally, I have never felt that segment of the riding community to be anything but accepting and easy to get along with. Too bad everyone in the Ducati crowd cannot be the same, were all just wanting to enjoy the ride, correct. Please don't take my comments wrong as I don't intend on offending anyone, just my opinion, hope I'm entitled to that. If I'm a DINKER! as some people think so be it!!!

Enjoy the club everyone and have fun riding! :D

I enjoyed meeting and riding with some of you this summer on the BBQ ride thanks for the good time.

foggy123
11-08-2005, 10:29 PM
I'm a DINKER! as some people think so be it!!!



Maybe if you reread my post, you might see that I quote tonupyank and make no mention of you. Sorry to see you go but it's your choice.

Chris Koxlien
11-08-2005, 10:30 PM
Yes it is.

tonupyank
11-09-2005, 10:21 AM
Hey Chris, sorry this thread got out of hand, but knowing Foggy123, that most certainly was a jab at me. I appreciate your help and I'm sure others do to out there, they just might not post about it.

If you go it will be one less experienced rider out there in the land of computers, firewires and broadband. That's the trouble with these boards, the tone is all misread or misinterpreted, plus people may tend to hide behind the names or whatever, post stuff just to be a jackhole, whatever.

Anyway, thanks for your help........stay safe.